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watching have a great mother's day! we'll see you next fox news sunday. >> paul: this week on the journal editorial report. dramatic firsthand testimony that the benghazi terror attack, what we learned and what we still need to find out about the role played by top administration officials and the senate moves on a bipartisan immigration overall among conservatives and what the effort will cost and how to proceed. we'll break down the numbers and the politics and growing gop opposition to president obama's labor pick. could the nomination of thomas perez be in trouble? welcome to the journal editorial report. i'm paul gigot.
riveting testimony about the deadly assault on the u.s. mission in benghazi. gregory hicks gave an emotional recount of the night of september 12th, 2012. it draws new attention surrounding the attack and how the administration handled its aftermath. >> when ambassador stevens talked to you minutes before he died as a dying declaration, what precisely did he say to you? >> he said, greg, we're under attack. >> did he mention one word about a protest or a demonstration? >> no, sir, he did not. >> so fast forward, to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice. she blamed the attack on the video and she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped.
i was embarrassed. >> joining the panel this week, wall street deputy editor damage henningger and brett stevens and jason riley. so dan, what is the single most important takeaway you have from this hearing? >> i guess, paul that there is such a vast distance between what gregory hicks described as happening last night and what the administration described for virtually a week. what gregory hicks described was intense fire fight in benghazi lasting all night involving heavy weaponry. that is september 11th. on september 13th, jay carney attributes to a youtube video. susan rice goes on television the same thing and the following tuesday, jay carney is still
attribute to go this to a youtube video. why was the obama administration trying to suppress the events that gregory hicks.... your conclusion is based on his testimony that they were trying to suppress. that this was -- >> you can call it whatever they want. they didn't want to talk about what happened in benghazi. >> hicks said during the testimony that he was pressured into keeping his mouth shut. why state department officials, f.b.i. did not talk to him during the investigation. this is about transparency. the national security failure and it's transparency in the aftermath. much of the media, particularly the liberal media just simple bickering, same old, same old, let's move on. this is about an administration not being forthcoming about the fact of what actually happened. >> this is about an
administration that sees the death of an american ambassador and three personnel as a political problem, not a national security problem. into the policy problem but a political problem for an administration that is in the middle of a political campaign. one of stunning things for me coming out of gregory hick's testimony, when he was talking to a congressman, state department there should be a lawyer present at all times. >> paul: cheryl mills who some remember from the impeachment of bill clinton. he said do not talk alone to a member of congress. >> afterwards he also said as he put it a chill in beth jones and another close aide. you get a sense here you have a kind of failing around secretary clinton whom the first priority
to make sure that our political bosses aren't touched in any way by a serious policy. >> do you blame them? >> yes, i do bleim blaim them. >> they are not campaign officials. they are state department officials and four dead americans. that is serious problem. that is bineparate their role as partisans and officials of the u.s. government. bear in mind as well that gregg hicks or his aides spoke to the state department describing what was going on. they talked to the pentagon and they talked to the african command in germany trying to get help. there was wide array of senior officials in government that knew what is what was going on there. the question is why did the administration --. >> paul: what is your answer, dan? >> my answer is that the talking points were set in the white house either by the president himself or one of his top aides and forced everyone to come up
with totally implausible accounts. >> paul: there is new evidence here come out by abc news about the talking points which were distributed to the government as a matter of routine were altered 12 times. this is the highly important part. early on we heard from jay carney that the talking points had all come intel community. >> now, we're learning that various departments were getting in their equities, basically bureaucratic coverups they didn't want to point out the c.i.a. that the diplomatic facilities and western details in benghazi were under increasing threats. it was a classic case of bureaucratic and political cover-up leading up to susan rice's testimony. >> the frank wolf congressman from virginia has been arguing the house to put together a
select committee instead of the five committees with dispirit interests. do you support that idea? >> i think it's very good idea. they may come to the same conclusion that the committee came to. or the review board. i think a bipartisan committee. i think it rises to this level. >> paul: this review board never interview them? >> they did not interview gregory hicks when he as in tripoli. we need a reboot of the national security agency on issues like that and the only thing they can do is like they did underwater gate. >> paul: when we come back, the debate begins in the senate on a bipartisan bid to reform the nation's immigration system but a new report is pitting conservatives against
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[ baby fussing ] ♪ ♪ ♪ >> paul: the senate judiciary committee begin the markup of reform bill last thursday and among conservatives about the true cost of overhaul. at issue is heritage foundation that puts the price tag at a staggering $6.3 trillion. is that estimate fair? we're back with our panel. steve moore also joins the panel. jason, what do you make of this heritage report? >> i think it's incomplete look on how immigrants impact on the u.s. economy and our nation in general. our politics and culture and so forth. it tries to measure a person's worth by what they pay in taxes
by what they receive in public benefits. that is an overly limiting way of looking at immigrants. it's not looking at how they add to the flexibility of our labor market and increasing consumer dand that forces businesses to hire more for good and services. that is how the problem with how they have evaluated it. >> paul: it's what you pay in and what you get out over the course of a lifetime. steve, so you looked at the report in detail. what are the big problems with it if, indeed, you think there are? >> i don't think there is a lot of disagreement among economists that immigration is good for the u.s. economy. you've got all the advantages that jason mentioned, immigrants start businesses. they come when they are young. they are hardworking and all those things add to the american
economy. heritage challenges that. what they are basically saying the immigrants use more government services than they pay in taxes. if you use the analysis it says that 70% of americans were. >> paul: they take out more in benefits than they pay in taxes. >> that is right. people who have a college education, what they call net contributors and people that don't are net drains. that is very dire and grim look at america. i think it's very problematic. i've been working on this issue for 25 years. it's always been an issue that splits the republican party and conservative movement right down the middle. what you are seeing here is kind of a fisher.
what we may call pat buchanan wung and the other wing and that is what the argument is about. >> paul: there are a lot of conservatives that support this but didn't last time but groups of social conservatives, cultural conservatives in the religious conservative movement who think, we need to get these immigrants here 11 million or so out of shadows for more reasons, compassionate reasons. get them into the work force. make sure they can't be exploited by employers. where do you see the breakdowns on this? >> i think the breakdown is basically it does have a lot to do with the one word they have used over and over, which is nesmz. they were here illegally -- amnesty. i think we have to understand something. as steve said it goes back 25 years.
it goes back the entire length of the 20th century, back in the 1920s. >> paul: was the irish or chinese? >> as far as the mexicans go, in the 1940s and 19 50s we had a program where they could come in and work and go back to mexico. the unions didn't like that and they killed the bracero system. we have not had that mechanism since. the immigration law gave them amnesty, started this fight back then and we have never resolved this. that is what the new immigration bill is trying to do. >> paul: if you look at the evidence on dan's point in the mid-50s's. it allowed guest workers to come and work back. illegal immigration plunged.
>> we know how to fix illegal immigration. this is supply and demand issue. if you want fewer people coming in illegally, give them more legal ways to come. it's not just a law and order issue. i think americans are anxious about assimilation, for instance we have more bilingualism today. >> paul: don't they have a point >> they have a point. leave the immigrants alone. people in come here, they are not ones pushing by lingual education. it's people on the left doing it in their name. the people that are pushing for ethnic gerrymandering but blame the columbia faculty for that. >> on that pointed. same thing on the quote, fiscal cost of immigrants. welfare state is too big -- go after the welfare state then.
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>>. >> by all accounts, tom perez is not just a heart for the poor but he a committed i had log who appears willing quite frankly to say or do anything to achieve his ideological ends. >> uma: tough words from senate minority leader mitch mcconnell the pick to lead the labor department. a committee vote was postponed
this week and mounting republican opposition. mary kissel has been following the story from the beginning and she joins us now. why is this nomination so controversial? >> several reasons. mr. perez is the head of the civil rights division of the justice department. he was using a shaky legally theory to extract positions out of banks. he did a deal with the city to get the case withdrawn from a supreme court docket. >> paul: this was case that st. paul was litigating for how long? >> almost a decade. there were two cases brought by whistleblowers that could have netted $200,000. >> he didn't prosecute black panthers. he went back and harassed the state. that is just the beginning. >> paul: what about the issue of emails that he had been using
his personal account, personal email account to conduct government business which a violation of the federal records act. now that has become a source of contention, as well. explain? >> the house is investigating this quid pro quo with the city of st. paul for about a year now. well before he was nominated. in the course of that investigation, he didn't make himself available to investigators until right before.... >> paul: we should say we asked him to talk to us about that and he has declined. >> and did you ever use a personal account for business. he said i don't recall. separately the investigators learned that he had. i don't know if -- he certainly didn't tell him the whole story. he did turn over, 35, one was magically found and house investigators subpoenaed him for
the rest. we're talking about 200 emails. >> paul: and he is resisting the subpoena? >> he still hasn't complied. >> paul: can the senate confirm somebody that resisting a federal subpoena? >> he does deserve extra scrutiny. this theory he has been using and that the justice department has been using. it's notion as dispirit impact sing statistics to prove discrimination. if you have racially disproportionate outcomes, ipso facto is very disturbing so you have people like this obama, holder and perez putting forth this. people using government powers to save one group over another.
these folks seem to more interested in making up for the past than in n a level playing field. it's very disturbing. >> paul: democrats seem to be still back go perez but how significant is the vote on the floor? >> i think the republicans are going to push to have 60 votes for the nomination. you had senior members against the nomination. grassley and hatch and cornyn and others. hatch said a lot of people don't feel that he has been straightforward with us. this is the first time that identifying one of core problems with this nomination. mr. perez is telling one story under oath but documentary evidence is telling another story about this st. paul deal. >> paul: do you think you should be confirmed? >> absolutely not. >> paul: do you think he will be confirmed? >> i am not making those
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you requested backup? yes. yes i did. what's in your wallet? >>. >> paul: time for hits and misses. >> i'm doing a big hit for pope francis who met with one of the founding members in ladies in white. they peacefully protested under the castro regime under brutal regime. what a great thing to have that photo taken. president obama and even the previous pope has shown the ladies. shame on them and great for pope francis. >> intellectual relatively. steven hawking well known physicist decided to join academic boycott of israel this week. this is the same steven hawking
that had no calms visiting iran and china despite their well known human rights abuses. we admire for thinks theory about black holes, i'm afraid he has gone a black hole all his own. >> this week the dow jones hit 15,000 for the first time ever. paul, that is great news for investors. it's also a real tribute to the men and women who run american companies, large and small. during the recession, american businesses became lean, mean fighting machines. they cut their we've. wouldn't it be a wonderful thing paul, if american government could become one-half as efficient as american businesses are. >> paul: i sure hope it lasts. [ laughter ] >> if you have your own hit or miss, send it to us at and be sure and follow us on twitter. that is it for this week's show.
thanks to my panel. especially to all of you for watching. jeronfnc. thanks to panel. hope to see you right here next week. big stories getting coverage this week -- in cleveland, three young women kidnapped and held captive for more than ten years discovered and freed. the man responsible captured and charged. in phoenix, a 4-month-long murder trial was lurid -- with lurid and graphic details ends. a jury finds jodi arias guilty. hearing from key insiders about the attacks on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, revealing damaging information and raising real questions about the actions of our state department and the obama white house. the just department makes news with a report about gun violence. new jersey's governor had a big secret -- not